Telangana Sayudha Poratam was based on class struggle not on the basis of religion, and it was not the religious rebellion as you were taught by your teachers of your subjects of interest, if you do not believe it, do not believe, I do not like to convince you anymore because I do not believe in such things of beliefs and blind faiths that could be reversed by the opposite class’s teaching for few minutes on line, from my child hood.
Here the history is available by those people what were took part and led the sayudha poratam during that period and have written lot of books in telugu, you can read from world online libraries. Just because the feudal landlords were against the armed movement in Telangana with the help and guidance of razakars and nizam by following 6the instructions from their military along with their roudy gangs in search of the warring leaders of the Telangana . If that Poratam was the Hindu religious struggle, why could the Hindu land lord supported to the trio’s terror in Telangana.
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“Please, stop misleading people with false narrations about history and hateful comments on Sangh Parivaar. If you are a true Telanganite how come you ignore the facts and frame false allegations on Sangh Parivar. Communist Party Sayudha Poratam was against Nizam rule not against feudalism, particularly they worked under the leadership of Andhra Doralu. Most importantly communists influence was limited to few parts of Hyderabad state not in all districts, particularly they were active in Nalgonda and Warangal districts rest fought unitedly irrespective of cast and religion.Actually, the Maoists who started the campaign against feudalism that too in North Telangana where feudal forces were more active.”
Telangana or Andhra is not a question at the same time the state committee was in the hands of Andhra people, but they were also equally fought along the lines of Telangana leaders, we have the best example of Nallamala Giri Prasad who was from Krishna and took part in armed struggle from tribal belt of Khammam and Warangal Districs. So that he has the tag of “Giri” to his name. Moreover it was the party to take decisions about their policy
“How do you say that Sangh Parivar not joined in any mass struggles except Assam ?. For your information, Sangh Parivaar always joined the people and fought against Moghals, British and Nizam (Please read the history books once again). How do you ignore the active role of Sangh Parivaar at the time of emergency in 1977? Who strongly supported JP Narayan and carried the fight against Late Indira Gandhi's evil rule. Sangh Parivaar's Presence and support was there whether it was Kargil War, Cyclone, Earthquake, Floods and Drought. Of course it is our prime responsibility to protect the nation from anti-national and anti-social elements, that's what Sangh Parivaar stands for”
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My dear Anil, realize when the Sangh Sariwar was founded and who was founded the rss in India . Just let tell u that it was vir Savarkar who was the brave leader of time and took part in some activities from abroad and caught by the british and put him Andaman jai. Later on his request to withdraw the struggle of independence and complete withdrawal from independence movement, the British government released him. Another member of its founders you may call him Golwarkar, or hegdewarkar who named in 1924 or in later year, now exact year is not in my mind to explain to u.
In emergency, it was the fight against the dark days of emergency, in which they were suffered. Later their Janata party and they came to power with the active participation along with all other people.. Here they did not start their own firstly but followed lately and in passive manner. So I did not see it in that level of the fighting policy of the caused what they believed and declared. They come through the Bjp from the political platform publicly and take part silently against in dark against the Muslims, as it open secret what the world people came to know.
And your Sanagh Pariwars fight against Moghuls nothing but a joke. because the Parivar was started it movement in 1920’s only and the Moghal were defeated by the British in and around 18 the century as the British entered through east India company in 1660 from Bengal, next madras, next Surath, and extended their territory to the India. The last Moghal was the prince Bahadur Shaw Zafer who was also put in the Andaman jail. Your claim of struggle against the Mughals was from baji Rao, Vir Shivaji, who were not the members of your Sangh Pariwar you claimed.
Yours’ much claimed activities of Kargil war and collection of the donations, these are the things in passive manner, because your Sangh Pariwar was not posted along their borders to fight against the aggressors. They have even not allowed seeing like civilians. If u talk about the collections of donations from the public on the different names was the charity work u carried out. These are the charity works not the movement and struggles, even they do not dare to think about the word armed struggle, because Sangh always hid themselves behind the police and takes the help of police like in Gujarat and in other parts of the country in which more than 5000 communal rights were taken place. Every time they and their practice was same as per the commission reports.
“Let us live and respect Mahatma Gandhi's Words "Hindu-Muslim Bhayi Bhayi"
Not what so called Secular forces Say "Hindu-Muslim Bye Bye"
"Vedini Puttisthadani Sooryudni Dhoosinche Vaaru Kondarayithe Thana Velugurekhalatho Thama Jeevanarekhe Maaruthundani Prarthinche Vaaru Marendaro!"”.
“Jai Bharath-Jai Hind,
Anil Maddirala.”
YES I repeat it for facts in the history and practice in reality and in real life too.
"Vedini Puttisthadani Sooryudni Dhoosinche Vaaru Kondarayithe Thana Velugurekhalatho Thama Jeevanarekhe Maaruthundani Prarthinche Vaaru Marendaro
Lastly if you say to me to read the history, plz suggest the names of the books u read already for better understanding at least here in the group.
Jai telangana. Jai bhart.
Ayub mohammed
--- On Tue, 15/9/09, Anil Maddirala
From: Anil Maddirala
Ayub Sahab,
Please, stop misleading people with false narrations about history and hateful comments on Sangh Parivaar. If you are a true Telanganite how come you ignore the facts and frame false allegations on Sangh Parivar. Communist Party Sayudha Poratam was against Nizam rule not against feudalism, particularly they worked under the leadership of Andhra Doralu. Most importantly communists influence was limited to few parts of Hyderabad state not in all districts, particularly they were active in Nalgonda and Warangal districts rest fought unitedly irrespective of cast and religion.Actually, the Maoists who started the campaign against feudalism that too in North Telangana where feudal forces were more active.
How do you say that Sangh Parivar not joined in any mass struggles except Assam?. For your information, Sangh Parivaar always joined the people and fought against Moghals, British and Nizam (Please read the history books once again). How do you ignore the active role of Sangh Parivaar at the time of emergency in 1977? who strongly supported JP Narayan and carried the fight against Late Indira Gandhi's evil rule. Sangh Parivaar's Presence and support was there whether it was Kargil War, Cyclone, Earthquake, Floods and Drought. Ofcourse it is our prime responsibility to protect the nation from anti-national and anti-social elements, that's what Sangh Parivaar stands for.
Let us live and respect Mahatma Gandhi's Words "Hindu-Muslim Bhayi Bhayi"
Not what so called Secular forces Say "Hindu-Muslim Bye Bye"
"Vedini Puttisthadani Sooryudni Dhoosinche Vaaru Kondarayithe Thana Velugurekhalatho Thama Jeevanarekhe Maaruthundani Prarthinche Vaaru Marendaro!".
Jai Bharath-Jai Hind,
Anil Maddirala.
--- On Mon, 9/14/09, ayub mohammed
From: ayub mohammed
Dear venkat garu,
It is the fact you described and I agreed that, the armed struggle of Telangana against the king Nizam was based on the class, in which more than five thousand people were lost their lives, who were belonged to the working class of the feudalism in our Telangana.
. The armed struggle of Telangana was the reaction and revolt against the then king Nizam, who did not see anybody in his suppressive measures as he was to do that irrespective of this religion and his religious people in his killings in which all the people who came from all casts and religions irrespective of their religious attachments to the Nizam and were participated against him under the command of united communist party of India
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Actually this is the subject we have to discuss and should go in this way as there is no need of the religion and its attachments to Nizam or peasants of Telangana people. Many Muslims lost their lives in the same revolt. Nizam did not spare the any Muslim on the name of religion and the people also did not see the religion of Nizam
But I saw so many meetings organized by the bjp in glorifying the armed struggle and called them that” Anti-Razakars week” in the recent past. The Bjp has no such policy to support any mass struggles in their history and in the practice of their mother organizations, Rss and Vhp in their whole history except Agp in Assam the reason of their support in Assam is best known to all. So I just indicated the point which is in mind to keep the Telangana armed struggle” clean” in its original color of red despite green or saffron as these are the colors(known for misusing) of religions.
friend, if the facts become hate, if the false become the glorification, what would be your choice.
however,
Jai Telangana.
Ayub mohammed--- On Tue, 15/9/09, Venkat Maroju
From: Venkat Maroju
Dear Vidyasagar and Ayub,You both bring up very good point about the last years of Nizam rule which is inevitably linked with infamous Razakars. Infact, I remember our elders referring to that period as "Razakar Time" or "Razakar Jamana". But infact in the history books of highest recognition - they have always referred to it as "Telangana Peasants Movement" or "Telangana Sayudha Poratam". It is also very easy for the opportunists to color this glorious period of historic peoples uprising against a powerful king and his coterie of landlords (Doras) as a fight between hindus and muslims - but infact any one with little brains can see it is not that way. But it is a fight between a autocratic fuedal rulers versus its common people who wanted more democratic rule instead of autocracy. Agreed that Nizam was the muslim king of entire Hyderabad state - but most of the atrocities committed by the ruling machinery with razakars help were by the feudal lords in the villages who are by and large were hindus. There are also many examples of common muslim people who fought against Nizam's rule during razakar time - so the argument of Hindu vs Muslim is meaningless. Infact, it is also well known that the Indian military when they attacked hyderabad - they also killed many sayudha porata veerulu and also put many of them in jail.On a personal note - our neighbors in Jangaon town have been muslims for the past 60-70 years. As any one knows about the Telangana Sayudha Poratam - Jangaon was the epicenter of this great historic movement and during that time our muslim neighbors and our family protected each other when razakars and communists attacked the village. I am sure there are many such stories throught out Telangana. So let us never refer to this as fight between hindu vs muslim.Jai TelanganaVenkat Maroju--- On Mon, 9/14/09, Vidyasagar Sriramoju
From: Vidyasagar Sriramoju
Dear Ayyub Mohammed
My statements are NOT based on any political or religious inclinatio ns or affiliations. Islam or any other faith are not in the context here, Only and absolutely Telangana people's struggles for freedom, honour and their social identity are of my primary concern without any special reference to any political idealogy or religion.. The common folk from all sects and religions in Telangana always just desparately wanted to survive with dignity, they never cared fanatically about the religion.The views expressed are based on the life experiences of my grand parents and uncles who fled from Nalgonda district to Macherla under persecution by Razakar militia in mid 1940s. They all returned back to our native villages after police action. My grand father was a freedom fighter (who recently passed away at age of 92+ years) who survived just by stroke of luck in 1940s. Facts of the history are often bitter and uncomfortable, but we cannot change the facts for our convenience, There was NO Congress party and NO BJP in 1940s in Hyderabad state in a significant role. However there were razakar groups. Infact The Nizam rulers ruled in a secular fashion untill the end of 1930s , the violence was perpetrated only a powerful radical fraction within Nizam administration in 1940s. Remember that not all muslims were Razakars and Not all Hindus were kind to a Telangana common man during those times. The people of Telangana of all faiths were always the victims of the greed of fellow Telanganites which is continuing even today. Since generations we never had any specific political or fanatic religious group affiliation. Asking for a memorial for those who suffered and lost lives for common good is not a political or a religious agenda. A person with unbiased moral consciousness and belief in absolute truth will not say that my earlier statements have such political and religious intonations.
What we the Telangana people need is the Progress and development for our Telangana land and All Telangana people.
Hope This clears your doubts about views expressed earlier.
Best regards
Dr.Vidyasagar
On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 1:38 AM, ayub mohammed <mdayyub@yahoo. co.uk> wrote:
Dear vidyasager garu/all other list members,
While referencing the Razakars, their militia and their oppressive meansures, you all here in the list and in public by the Bjp’s influenced political activities what I call it for now, have been habituated to include the their religion, Islam as act of mischievous trickery while in the real friends or public circles, gives the indication that you all like, the Bjp has bias against the Muslims and their religion Islam since the origin of the Trs in Ap. It is because most the cadre of Trs belonged to the Bjp. So that you all are continuing the same public addressing system. You even did not think to notice how they feel on your system of willful act of hurting with the name of religious attachment to your own people of Telangana. The Muslims since formation of trs, the factor what I am discussing here was already analyzed about the nature and its people in mind and confirmed that the trs and its cadre have such anti-Muslim ideas, during its initial days of formation in Telengana, and decided to keep ourselves out from its fold. The consequences of all such acts of Trs we all now experienced as well. If it is your intention to hurt and address them in this way of adding their religion to Razakars while speaking in any form in public I say the Razakars or their militia which did not see the difference of religions in their oppressive measures for their own interest as a common factor of the ruling methodology of the oppressed class in our state. And our country has more experienced with their ruling during which they showed how actually the cruelty is in Indian history. However I request you all list members to consider my request for better understanding the people and the society in our list at least if not, out side activities.
Ayub mohammed --- On Mon, 14/9/09, Vidyasagar Sriramoju <vs.sriramoju@ gmail.com> wrote:
From: Vidyasagar Sriramoju <vs.sriramoju@ gmail.com>Subject: [tdf-discuss] Where the Telangana Pride has Gone?To: tdf-discuss@ yahoogroups. comDate: Monday, 14 September, 2009, 3:12 AM
Warangal and Nalgonda districts were the seats of Peasant resistance in 1940s against Islamic militia- Razakars. The peace loving small farmers, artisans of Telangana - men, women and children fought bravely and lost lives in thousands. Later in early 70s 400+ students got killed in police firings. Shameless Telangana leadership forgot the the sacrifices made by these poor and innocent rural folk. None of these groups ever had a significant memororial- If there is any moral consciousness in any of the political parties and groups, irrespective of their party lines they should come forward and build a Hyderabad state/Telangana freedom fighters memorial park with a statue in tribute to Unknown freedom fighters of our land. Please dont forget the sacrifices these patriotic poor people especially those who fought against Razakars wanted to join the Indian union in 1947 - 48. Though these people were lead by left parties infact they are all uneducated working people who donot know any poitical idealogy they just fought for their land and people and they all believed in god and what is right and wrong. Friends forgetting the sacrifices made by our forefathers starting from the fall of Kakateeya dynasty in 1300 AD circa , now dont sell your souls and Telangana pride for your political and class advantages.
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