my replies and responses in groups and in its arguements on marxism 3

Re: [Stalinist] re marxismThursday, 23 August, 2007 10:49 AM
From: "ayub mohammed" View contact detailsTo: Stalinist@yahoogroups.com

A valid scientific test on the Marxism was carried out twice with
the gap of 32 years in Russia and in china under the great
leadership of Lenin and Mao during their lifetime. Since then only
repeats and applications of the same old content on ever changing
societies and on states like out dated capsules to the patients. So
why the Marxism failed and reduced to the defensive stage against
the capitalists as it is the question always remind me to think
about it for right applications under the proletariat leadership.
Interpretation of historical materialism should have defects so that
society is in the progress of its own way deviating the lines of
materialism what I say about the theory and its applicability. The
next is class struggle, which (was and) is a part of other principal
players that leads the society towards progress through the
struggles in which the class struggle forms only a part, not as a
whole as Marxism states. The nature of proletariat class is static
and unchanged as a whole but its formation and emergence is very
different from time to time, as it has been depended upon `work'
only avoiding the thoughts and needs of the so called proletariat
class.

In Stalinist@yahoogrou ps.com, blood hound
wrote:
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> It ia not a question of beleiving. It is a question of valid
scientific tests and one of those is on the question of class
struggle. The issue is the Dictatorship of the proletariat or
capitalist democracy.On the score of continueing the dictatorship
and the Syatem of peoples governments then China still comes out in
a plus.
> Whether the development will remain depends on the outcome of the
struggle.
> At this stage the Imperialists are much cleverer then Stalin's
little Kittens.
>
> Those who have yet to participate in the struggle can confine
themselves to book learning and rote repeating. My experience so far
is that a fundamental condition of revisionism is the deNouncement
of the dictatorship of the Proletariat. Which is unfortunately part
of the problem aflicting many western parties. The other is to not
understand the mechanisms of the class struggle and the problems of
parties in power.There are many mistakes that ruling parties can
make before loss of power. The ultimate thing that historical
materialism has delivered is that for socialism to be overcome the
ruling communist party must be removed from power. It is not over
until this is done this the imperialists know and so should we.
> Slammerguy123@ ... wrote: 15 now.
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can u say the reaons for failure of marxism in america, uk, germany
europe ,mid-east and in asia exactly ? just enjoy in the fools
paradise which was lost long ago . now it is the duty of every
marxist to ready and apply it to the conditions of every state for
the same purpose of proletatariat dictatorship. ...

In Stalinist@yahoogrou ps.com, blood hound
wrote:
>
> It ia not a question of beleiving. It is a question of valid
scientific tests and one of those is on the question of class
struggle. The issue is the Dictatorship of the proletariat or
capitalist democracy.On the score of continueing the dictatorship
and the Syatem of peoples governments then China still comes out in
a plus.
> Whether the development will remain depends on the outcome of the
struggle.
> At this stage the Imperialists are much cleverer then Stalin's
little Kittens.
>
> Those who have yet to participate in the struggle can confine
themselves to book learning and rote repeating. My experience so far
is that a fundamental condition of revisionism is the deNouncement
of the dictatorship of the Proletariat. Which is unfortunately part
of the problem aflicting many western parties. The other is to not
understand the mechanisms of the class struggle and the problems of
parties in power.There are many mistakes that ruling parties can
make before loss of power. The ultimate thing that historical
materialism has delivered is that for socialism to be overcome the
ruling communist party must be removed from power. It is not over
until this is done this the imperialists know and so should we.
> Slammerguy123@ ... wrote: 15 now.
>
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Re: [Stalinist] re-examination of marxismWednesday, 1 August, 2007 5:04 PM
From: "ayub mohammed" View contact detailsTo: Stalinist@yahoogroups.comIt is a part of ‘belief’ of those who love Marxism without observing the changing conditions and contradictions of the society of any particular state, u too like to see it as a crap. Ok I have no problem but it is a problem of the people, who are helpless in the hands of oppression, looking at the leaders of for some of relief, on the promises makes by both leftist and rightists in every state and in every society. Let me ask you some questions about your mail contending that the Marxism is a science and evolves with the struggles. Next, the word ‘degeneration’ of leadership you uses liberally which indicated a basic failure in its advancement and progress to lead the Russian society forward. It means the leadership certainly depending factor on the individuals and their capabilities. The question will lead the mind of those who are in such deep thinking towards the qualities of leadership and its essentialities to lead the masses in that particular society within the
state on applying their minds to assess and analyze the situation that should match the aspirations of the people as well as all sections including proletariat class. These questions are raised on from the first paragraph of you response only. I do not like to blame any leader, political party, but want to check why was the situation that demanded the communist party to surrender itself before such people and leaders who entered into a party through any way and on any claim. It is also a subject to understand the contradictions and major contradiction within that society and state where the mind and need of the people was ever changing irrespective of the political system which was dominated by the communist party. This is not a case on Russia, but it is a matter of china, and the erstwhile socialist block including the latest development of the Nepal. We have spent a lot of time in applying the Marxism to the states and societies that have its own ways irrespective
observations and comments of the Marxists who have their own way to analyze and apply their thought on the moving and changing societies. Then again the question will arise whose failure is this in understanding the Marxism on the societies and states. Then I say it is the Marxism, which is not yet developed to understand the societies and states to lead towards its goal..
thank you
ayub mohammed

blood hound wrote: what utter crap

Marxism is a living science and it has evovled with the struggles.
The degeneration of the Soviet Leadership and their embrace of Western Liberalism and then capitalist Democracy over the advanced form of the Democratic Dictatorship of the Proletariat was at the source of this degeneartion.

We need to stop throwing dust in our own eyes and understand this. It is not the mistake of this or that leader but the class embrace. The Fact that Gorbachev was a Liberal Democrat and not a communist that he was able to transform the Dictatorship of the proltariat and peasantry into the dictatorship of the bourgeoisie.

This was because the corruption of the party by capitalist elements was very strong and that the ideological weakening of the party grew out of the overestimation of American Democracy and the failures to develop and strengthen Soviet Democracy.

This is apparent because of the inability of the party to deal with the corrupt elements such as Shevednadzi. A whole layer of leaders self promoting their own and the selection by the party and the struggle subordinated.

The failure to develop socialism will be rewarded with the anilation of the species. Do not dispare though it is not over. Despite sectarian errors against each other thye communist movement is once again recovering and moveing to understand the new realities and to shape and struggle for the future of humanity.

Less Looking back and more looking forward. Tremendous movements of the worlds peoples are developing in our current world and like communists of previous generations we must move to the front of these movements shape and lead them. Lend them na organised character and develop them towards human liberation.
david

ayub mohammed wrote: ayub mohammed wrote: Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 21:10:01
+0100 (BST)
From: ayub mohammed
Subject: re-examination of marxism.
To: thenewwave06@ ..., ayyub Mohammed

Since last 25 years what I have seen the most from the Marxist
writers who
replies and applies to the changing conditions of the society,
state, religion,
human nature, science and technological progress from Sumerians to
Indians to
Mayans civilizations, from the past writings of Karl Marx, angels,
Lenin, and
Mao only constantly without analyzing the exact nature of society and
composition with its relative factors. Though after lapse of 58
years from the
date of success of Chinese revolution, no result the Indian
communists got in
such a way of revolution as the Russians and Chinese succeeded, and
keeps the
routine every time what they always produces tones of pages of the
references of
the writers on the revolution. Now it is treated by the most of the
people in
majority countries that the Marxism is failed theory and do not have
scope to
apply in the present society and the states where the practices of
Marxists too
do not have any validity in securing the power of the
state either through the force or the elections. Hence all the
Marxist writers
and revolutionaries should reexamine the theory of Marxism, Leninism
and Mao
thoughts thoroughly for the validity of its philosophical status in
accordance
with the time of its formulations for further applicability as a
philosophy to
the changing nature of the social elements and its relations with
special
reference to the state and the human nature. Because Marxism should
be seen as
the instrument of emancipation of all exploitations to restore human
dignity and
prosperity of the poor people for which i humbly request all those
who are
concerned with the content for re-examining the whole marxism.

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