From: "ayub mohammed"
aung incredible
and we need to unite...
and we need to change the revolution types.
most of communist revolution hold the arm struggle. and demand for mass people support. without mass people support they cant do anything already. we dont actually need arm struggle for socialist revolution.
another thing is they dont take world people as mass people, they take their own country people as their mass people..
and another thing is dictatorship and democracy, communists wrongly use dictatorship in wrong people and wrong place
these are the some big mistakes for marxists and communists followers.
ayub mohammed
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Dear comrade,
Your detailed contents on Marxism, capitalism, reversal of Hegelian
materialism by Marx, shows that you are claiming that the whole
Marxism is a science and still applicable to the conditions of all
societies and all problems in the society, that is why you are very
proud on calling all these isolated names from the main streams of
the subjects such as Marxist sociologist, Marxist,
historians, Marxist ecologists, Marxist doctor, Marxist engineer,
etc. but I am not happy over such brandings and callings, because it
has been seen that these people are in isolation from the main
stream of such fields in any state and in any society in the
interest of Marxism which has to lead the whole as one and alone
under the same command and zeal of the party as an instrument for
execution of Marxism for making success the revolution every where
whether it is u.s, u.k, or Europe or India or it is mid-east.
Just I want to ask you only one direct question about Marxism and
its applicability to the present form of capitalism in u,s, uk,
Europe, mid-east and most of the remaining parts of the globe in
general and in India in particular, that
Why the Marxism, Leninism, and Maoism have failed in establishing
the socialist states in these regions?
A basic condition as per Marxist philosophy developed by Lenin that
there should be one revolutionary party that should have
revolutionary theory to lead the society towards socialism in any
state.
I have checked all these regions for such revolutionary parties
engaged in the task of revolution and found that no party is in a
position to lead the masses like in Russia, and china in the past
any where in the world. Because I believe that the Marxism is a
philosophy of all times and all the way in all societies as it is up
to Mao but it should be developed according to the changing needs
and thoughts of the people and I have no doubt about its
applications and definitions in the past and I feel that it needs
new and latest version in mobilizing the masses towards socialism
unlike democratic socialism, and state socialism. Moreover I do not
want the Marxism be drowned in the past in the line of its great
comment on the past history and society ' so many can say about the
society, but the question is how to change it'
In Stalinist@yahoogrou ps.com, marxist front
wrote:
>
> Dear Comrade
>
> My two cents for the question raised by you
>
> Thanks for receiving my posts positively.
>
>
> Marxism as an ideology of the human society including economic
relations in the production oriented theory, which was written
during the capitalist societies, beside feudal, and slave systems of
the past of the societies.
>
> >>>>>Marx and subsequently Lenin and other leaders and Ideologue
have dealt in detail not only about capitalist society but various
facets of social science, that concerns humankind. that is why we
have Marxist Sociologist, Marxist historian, and even Marxist
Ecologist(?) today.
>
> Basically what I am trying to elucidate is that Marx and the
science of Marxism has dealt with the various issues facing the
humankind, Marx(and of course Engels) in his writing dealt with wide
range of issue through the now famous Dialectical Materialism
methodology, though Marx neither Engels (I may stand corrected)
never used the term to define their approach of study. Unlike other
philosophers of his time and even earlier Marx discarded rather took
head on with the various school of philosophy based on metaphysical
realm and solely dedicated himself and his work on the materialistic
conception of philosophy. (Remember the famous quote of Marx where
said that he took Hegelian concept head on and putting the Hegalian
dialectics on to its feet).
>
> Although written in the post-industrial period Marx concerned
himself with the development of History since the time what he
termed as Primitive Communism. Marx took the mode of production as
one of the key feature to distinguish one society from another (i.e.
feudalism with primitive communism and then the emergence of
capitalism). The bourgeoisie philosophers and the protagonists of
Liberalism have been jumping all over claiming that some of the
features and analysis of Marx particularly when dealing with the non
European particularly Asiatic mode of production to have some
serious gaps and lapses, but we have to appreciate the work in light
of severe dearth of information and limitations put by the then
colonial power to present the history of the colonies in a distorted
way. Even after this Marx and Engles were the first to term the war
of 1857 in India as a war of liberation, which took the Indian and
so called nationalist historians almost a century to accept.
>
> Limitation of space in this post stops me from going into
details on the various Mode of production and its use that we find
in the insightful assessment of capitalist Mode of Production(CMP)
made by Marx. for Marx the chief characteristic of CMP is that it
has turned everything in commodity and the replacement of need based
value with exchange based value. while analysing this process he
came across what in his own word is his greatest contribution to
Political Economy ----that of surplus Value(SV). The SV becomes the
hallmark of CMP unlike the previous mode of production where it was
circumvented. But in CMP SV is the source of capital's growth and
mobility which found expression in the famous formula
(M...C....P. ...C'...M' ) of circulation of Capital.
>
> So this gives capital mobility and the sap on which the edifice
of CMP exists. This constant pursuit of capital to beget more money
and create more capital is the root of all capitalist evil, its
conversion into blood sucking monster(to paraphrase Rosa Luxembourg).
>
> The Marx's writings were materialized in practical way of
revolution in Russia under the leadership of Lenin that was seen as
an advanced stage of world societies to follow the same way of the
Russia. Consequently china was succeeded under the command of Mao.
It was also stated further that the single state of revolutionary
forces would never be succeeded unless all the states of the world
get revolution that was stated during the lifetime of Lenin and Mao.
>
> According to my understanding what you are pointing to is the
debate of "socialism in one country" which was supported by Stalin
and the Communist Party (Bolshevik) and Trotsky's assumption that
Socialism should be developed world over by instigating series of
world wide revolt (Theory of Permanent Revolution). This is an old
debate and world over the Communist have pondered over the correct
line. Those supporting of building a socialist state seems to be
having more practical approach than the latter. In fact if Lenin and
even Mao had waited for that elusive world wide proletarian
revolution then we never would have been seen the culmination of
Marxian theory in Practical in form of the establishment of Soviet
Union.
>
> In fact a point worth remembering is that even Marx and Engles
had supported the establishment of Paris Commune of 1871, that if
considered against a strict theoretical approach was then a
localised event amidst the great European churning. Here Marx termed
the Commune as vindication of Communistic ideas, and did not condemn
it as an adventurist approach, since it did not wait for the
worldwide revolution! Similarly Lenin decried the Menshevik's
dilemma of whether to take control of the Provincial government and
proceeded to give the clarion call of workers control and formation
of Proletarian state, though it was considered by the Mensheviks and
others as a dangerous and adventurous step bound to fail.
>
> So to wait for that elusive liberator to come and deliver, would
be nothing but suicidal for the Communist Revolutionaries world
over and it cannot be justified that the CR groups/parties wait with
indefinite patience for the force of history to formant the world
wide revolution.
>
>
> In essence Marxism is a living theory of revolutionizing the
world.
>
> I full agree with you Marxism, is perhaps the only philosophy
that is action oriented and not in search of some metaphysical
paranormal entity as haze been the case with other philosophies. It
has been created and is devoted to understand what is happening in
front of us not not what will happen in the next world or on the day
of judgment.
>
> Now a question will arise how long the capitalism will exist in
the world. Secondly already more than 300 years have been passed
after emergence of capitalism in rough estimation in the history and
evolution of the societies in the world. According to Marx the next
stage in the society is socialism for which a revolutionary party is
needed to revolutionize the masses in any state under the leadership
of proletariat class to liberate the people from oppression.So the
question is remained as it was that how to do that and the same
capitalist societies are existing in the same capitalism which is
diversifying the societies into individualism and anarchism.
>
> How many days more Capitalism will stay that only an
occult/soothsayer can predict and unfortunately Communists are
neither, but one thing that can be definitely said is that
capitalism will not be forever, that is for sure. the periodic
crises, the destruction of diversity and the increasing ferocity of
the speed of capital all points out that it is already on its path
of destruction. When Berlin wall was raised from its rubble Francis
Fukuyama has proclaimed end of history and Capital's immortal
triumph. But within a decade his prophesy proved to be nothing but
another smokescreen emanating from yet another bourgeoisie
soothsayer.
>
> The Communist movement unlike other movement is a movement of
the majority and when your aim is big then your path will also be
meandering sworn with thorns. Let us not forget the fact that CR is
up against the most powerful and deceitful class that has emerged in
social history. It now masquerades like a saint giving doles to some
here and robbing and plundering other somewhere else. Its power is
enormous and tact's unfathomable but bourgeois carries within itself
its seed of destruction and its grave diggers.
>
> What is of vital concern to MLists is to understand the process
of the unfolding patters of Capitalism and its various avatars.
>
> Above all the basic concern of Marx was not an academic
intellectual pursuit, but in his extant text there is an overt call,
a desire for change. even in Capital which is primarily a treatise
of the origin development and working of the bourgeoisie/ CMP
the "agenda" of the author is sparklingly clear. The class struggle
and the class anger is too discernable to be ignored.
>
> I just read this wonderful statement from Lenin where he said:
> " Marx and Engels were the first to show that the working
class and its demands are a necessary outcome of the present
economic system, which together with the bourgeoisie inevitably
creates and organises the proletariat. They showed that it is not
the well-meaning efforts of noble-minded individuals, but the class
struggle of the organised proletariat that will deliver humanity
from the evils which now oppress it. In their scientific works, Marx
and Engels were the first to explain that socialism is not the
invention of dreamers, but the final aim and necessary result of the
development of the productive forces in modern society. All recorded
history hitherto has been a history of class struggle, of the
succession of the rule and victory of certain social classes over
others. And this will continue until the foundations of class
struggle and of class domination – private property and anarchic
social production – disappear. The interests of the proletariat
demand the
> destruction of these foundations, and therefore the conscious
class struggle of the organised workers must be directed against
them. And every class struggle is a political struggle. "
>
>
>
> I want your paper. Please send it.
> I will be sending you in next post.
> Regards
> P
>
>
> ayub mohammed
>
> Thanks for receiving my posts positively. Marxism as an ideology
of
> the human society including economic relations in the production
> oriented theory, which was written during the capitalist
societies,
> beside feudal, and slave systems of the past of the societies. The
> Marx's writings were materialized in practical way of revolution
in
> Russia under the leadership of Lenin that was seen as an advanced
> stage of world societies to follow the same way of the Russia.
> Consequently china was succeeded under the command of Mao. It was
> also stated further that the single state of revolutionary forces
> would never be succeeded unless all the states of the world get
> revolution that was stated during the lifetime of Lenin and Mao.
In
> essence Marxism is a living theory of revolutionizing the world.
Now
> a question will arise how long the capitalism will exist in the
> world. Secondly already more than 300 years have been passed after
> emergence of capitalism in rough estimation in the history and
> evolution of the societies in the world. According to Marx the
next
> stage in the society is socialism for which a revolutionary party
is
> needed to revolutionize the masses in any state under the
leadership
> of proletariat class to liberate the people from oppression. So
the
> question is remained as it was that how to do that and the same
> capitalist societies are existing in the same capitalism which is
> diversifying the societies into individualism and anarchism. I
want
> your paper. Please send it.
>
> In Stalinist@yahoogrou ps.com, marxist front
> wrote:
> >
> > DO you think what failed in USSR was socialism... ...
> > Unlike other ideologies/politica l thinking marxism has been
> formulated keeping with a goal of changing the very basis of the
> existing society(i.e Capitalist) along with the mode of production.
> >
> > From ur text it seems u are in doubt of validity of Marxism and
> its analysis. FYI now more and more bourgeoisie economist
> particluarl; y from the first world are turning once again into
> reading Marx and Capital. Infact few years ago the Financial Times
> caried an article called "Das Capital Revisited"
> >
> > In this era of globalisation Marx and his ideas have become even
> more relevant.
> > I have just completed a paper on this subject called "Marx and
> Globalisation" . If you wish I can send it to you offlist. If you
> wish to have discussion on this subject we can take it offline.
> >
> > My some of previous mails were censored by the Moderators of
this
> list who thought that it is not relevant to the preamble of this
> List. Hence I am taking this liberty of copying you directly.
> >
> > Revo Greetings
> > M F (India)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ayub mohammed
> valid scientific test on the Marxism was carried out twice with
> > the gap of 32 years in Russia and in china under the great
> > leadership of Lenin and Mao during their lifetime. Since then
> only
> > repeats and applications of the same old content on ever
changing
> > societies and on states like out dated capsules to the patients.
> So
> > why the Marxism failed and reduced to the defensive stage
against
> > the capitalists as it is the question always remind me to think
> > about it for right applications under the proletariat
leadership.
> > Interpretation of historical materialism should have defects so
> that
> > society is in the progress of its own way deviating the lines of
> > materialism what I say about the theory and its applicability.
> The
> > next is class struggle, which (was and) is a part of other
> principal
> > players that leads the society towards progress through the
> > struggles in which the class struggle forms only a part, not as
a
> > whole as Marxism states. The nature of proletariat class is
> static
> > and unchanged as a whole but its formation and emergence is very
> > different from time to time, as it has been depended upon `work'
> > only avoiding the thoughts and needs of the so called
proletariat
> > class.
> >
> > In Stalinist@yahoogrou ps.com, blood hound
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > It ia not a question of beleiving. It is a question of valid
> > scientific tests and one of those is on the question of class
> > struggle. The issue is the Dictatorship of the proletariat or
> > capitalist democracy.On the score of continueing the
dictatorship
> > and the Syatem of peoples governments then China still comes out
> in
> > a plus.
> > > Whether the development will remain depends on the outcome of
> the
> > struggle.
> > > At this stage the Imperialists are much cleverer then Stalin's
> > little Kittens.
> > >
> > > Those who have yet to participate in the struggle can confine
> > themselves to book learning and rote repeating. My experience so
> far
> > is that a fundamental condition of revisionism is the
> deNouncement
> > of the dictatorship of the Proletariat. Which is unfortunately
> part
> > of the problem aflicting many western parties. The other is to
> not
> > understand the mechanisms of the class struggle and the problems
> of
> > parties in power.There are many mistakes that ruling parties can
> > make before loss of power. The ultimate thing that historical
> > materialism has delivered is that for socialism to be overcome
> the
> > ruling communist party must be removed from power. It is not
over
> > until this is done this the imperialists know and so should we.
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